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Paddy's VFS build
PaddyBarratt
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Posted: Monday, April 06, 2009 - 08:24 AM GMT+7
Yes chaps another VFS build and i suspect there will be plenty more of this fine kit.
I am not totally sure what this will actually be when its finished but my aim is for a nice tidy model based on SX-B "Butch" from the latest release decal sheet. I don't know enough about this airplane to build a rivet counters standard model so my finished item i hope will look like a modern restored warbird that you might find at a show but with as much originality as i can put in....
There ! that's clear as mud then :-)
The clever one's among you will be thinking...ah ha...he's covered himself here to make lots of mistakes and your quite right :-)

Anyway i made a small start on the cockpit side panel with my new found trusty coke can method supplying a new map box and various panels. Its not done but i need to do the rest of the cockpit before i look at washes and finishing detail.


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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 06:17 AM GMT+7
Well it off to a great start can't wait to see the next use for coke cans.
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 01:15 PM GMT+7
Well the next use of coke cans was the seat.
I didnt like the kit seat. Its very much "just a seat" and the sides are nearly 2mm at their thickest which would make them 2 inch thick scaled up
Anyway i took the plunge and cut the sides off ( never done anything like this before) and added super thin plastic card sides. reinforced with coke can I also added a slightly more curved base as per a picture i have, then sprayed it silver, sprinkled on some salt then sprayed it olive green.
Finally brushed the salt off to leave a weathered/corroded finish.

Its not finished yet as i have some detail like belts and belt mounts to add as well as some touch up painting but you can see where i am going...













See ya all soon
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 02:56 PM GMT+7
See i knew there was a reason for suggesting a build thread
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Posted: Tuesday, April 07, 2009 - 09:06 PM GMT+7
Wow Paddy the possibilities are endless aren't they?

Who needs PE when you have a Coke Can? maybe the kits will start coming with them included.

If you decide not to use them. Hey they can always hold you favorite beverage.

Great work and like Allen said. There is a reason to always have one more blog.

Paul
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 01:13 AM GMT+7
Wow,
Paddy what a great idea.
Looking forward to more.


Chris
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 05:29 PM GMT+7
Great start Paddy!
Where did you get the text for the flight report case?
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Posted: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 - 09:38 PM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Great start Paddy!
Where did you get the text for the flight report case?
Nige



I made a decal Nige. Unfortunately I use MS publisher and it only goes down to 4point text so the decal is a little big. Thats why M A P S is on the lid and the rest is on the side.
Today i have attacked my instrument panel......not much left of it now...lol. I have got it down from a scale 3" thick to about 1.5" thick. Still looks thick though.
Small decals with clear or white backgrounds can be made with decal paper and an ink jet printer.
Pictures later I hope.

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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 09:58 AM GMT+7
The kit instrument panel is a little odd. Its very thick and the dials are down tapered holes rather like the leather dash on a TVR.



It is made up of three parts, a front fascia. A dial section and a rear panel. I sanded the rear panel down to reduce thickness and removed the "frame" surround, replaced the dial section with a plain piece of plastic card (.010") and sanded the front panel down from .035" to .015" at which point it gets a little flimsy. You need to sand the front of the front fascia to remove the taper on the dial holes so a couple of small bits of plastic card can be used to replace the sanded surface detail



Finally spray all three pieces black. dont bother with the decal dials ( black circles) just put the dial detail (white) on the plastic card centre section and then sandwich between the other two parts. Then trim the edges of the centre section to the shape of the front section.



Well I know what i mean at least ....I think
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 10:03 AM GMT+7
Nice one Paddy!
A drop of Klear on each dial will really bring them out nicely!
You'll soon be catching up with my build,,lol.
Nige
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Posted: Thursday, April 09, 2009 - 05:21 PM GMT+7

Quoted Text

Nice one Paddy!
A drop of Klear on each dial will really bring them out nicely!
You'll soon be catching up with my build,,lol.
Nige



I doubt it Nige., I think the engine , in particular the cooling tank area will slow me right down :-)
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Posted: Friday, April 10, 2009 - 08:20 AM GMT+7

I eventually made some seat belts out of a length of electrical insulation tape sprayed off white both sides ( which neutralises the glue) then dusted with Tamiya smoke. I seem to have one of the shoulder adjusters upside down but you get the idea .. The whole thing looks better in real life !! I hate macro lenses










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Posted: Friday, April 10, 2009 - 11:32 AM GMT+7
Look how neatly the little Airfix motor for their 1/24 range fits in the front of this P&W

now there's a thought


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Posted: Friday, April 10, 2009 - 03:37 PM GMT+7
Oh,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,hello!
This'll be fun!
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Posted: Sunday, April 12, 2009 - 08:27 AM GMT+7
Hi all
I have been looking at the engine for this kit and it seems pretty good given the limitations of plasic mouldings. One thing that i dont like is the ignition harness that runs round the crankcase and from which the tubes run to the plugs. On most later large bore 2800 motors this seems to be a pipe about1.5" dia with 36 take off points where as the kit has a flat ring as found on the early double wasp engines. Here are a few variations on a theme..









Also i note that most engines have pressed steel frame to hold the ignition wires etc that runs round between the cylinders.
Does anyone have any thoughts on whether these are modern additions or just parts from different subcontractors but all doing the same thing ??

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Posted: Monday, April 13, 2009 - 04:25 PM GMT+7
Hi Paddy.
I'm not sure, but one things that is known is that they had a lot of trouble with these ignition harnesses both in the early days of the C model, and then again with the M model, so it wouldnt surprise me if the harnesses evolved and changed over the service life of the P-47.
Nige
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 04:59 PM GMT+7
OK !! I give up...how do you get paint to stick to these kit wheels ???
Ive tried washing them, wiping them with alcohol. I have tried Enamel which just rolls off like half set glue.Acrylic which rubs off with your finger and Halford spray which, by the time i had wrestled the wheels into the tyres....all flaked off...

Looks like time to clean up the resin wheels !
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Posted: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 - 06:22 PM GMT+7
I just used Halfords primer and then Alclad on the rear hub.
I always start with a thin layer and run that round the rim and in the grooves. It'll probably take about 3 coats,,lol
Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 05:22 AM GMT+7
Paddy:

Try to get some automotive black primer and touch up paint. That stuff will usually bite onto anything and impregnate the plastic. When it dries you can wet or dry sand it and it won't let go unless you scrape it off. If you can also find a Metallic silver paint it may give a good representation of NMF as well. The paint dries rock hard and can be smotthed out as well.

Paul
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 12:31 PM GMT+7
Cheers Paul
When we Brits talk "Halford" ,that is auto paint over here :-). No problem with the hubs its the rubber tyres that are moulded grey that are the problem. I have given up and will use some resin ones i have.
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 03:40 PM GMT+7
Hi Paddy.
As requested by PM, heres a photo of the rear area of the engine, forward of the firewall.

Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 04:26 PM GMT+7
Thanks Nige.....I will just knock that up then :-))
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 04:36 PM GMT+7

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Thanks Nige.....I will just knock that up then :-))



Well,,,,,,err,,,,,,you DID ask!
(He says smugly, after leaving the area around my kits firewall covered up. )

Nige
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Posted: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 - 05:32 PM GMT+7

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Cheers Paul
When we Brits talk "Halford" ,that is auto paint over here :-). No problem with the hubs its the rubber tyres that are moulded grey that are the problem. I have given up and will use some resin ones i have.



I am learning so much over hear. Halford ='s auto paint got it.
Now I can add it to the only other word I was taught "Bollocks!!" (Seems this one has more use than one though) Ain't that right Nige?

Paul
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Posted: Thursday, April 16, 2009 - 01:14 AM GMT+7
Err,,not quite Paul.
Halfords isnt a paint its chain of shops catering for the motorist primarily.
HALFORDS

The correct British style response to fining out you've made a mistake like that would of course be to use the other word you've learnt recently, usually preceeded by "Oh",,

Its also considered to be swearing by many, but I wont edit it out this time.
Nige