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10 Grand Research
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Posted: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 - 12:14 PM UTC
Hello Gentlemen,

I was told by a friend that this is the "go-to" place on the web for P-47 info.

I am doing research on the 10,000th P-47 made. I am trying to find info or pics when it was actually used in combat. I am a modeler and want to build this aircraft. I have the 1/72 scale decals for the aircraft as it appeared just out of the factory.

Info I have so far:

P-47D-30RE 44-20441

Assigned to 79th Fighter Group, 87th Fighter Squadron 12th Air Force

ID letters: X97

After the war it looks like it ended up in a foreign air force and crashed into the Bay of Naples on 21 Dec 1945

This is what I have so far. Any additional info would be appreciated. Any photos from the 87th Fighter Squadron from the same time frame would be awesome too!

Thank you in advice,

Ken Judt

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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 07:46 AM UTC
Hi Ken.
Welcome to P-47 Heaven.

I have some photos etc and will put something together for you as soon as I get a spare few minutes.

All the best,

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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 10:57 AM UTC
Welcome to the site Ken!

Not have you only found THE "go-to" site on the interweb, you have just been answered by the best P-47 brain going around!

Cheers,
Nick.
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Posted: Thursday, August 16, 2012 - 04:26 PM UTC

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Not have you only found THE "go-to" site on the interweb, you have just been answered by the best P-47 brain going around!



I'll second that, welcome aboard Ken, and don't be shy about asking quesitons or putting your work on display. Everybody here is super helpful and you will get all of the advice and assistance you want (I know I have over the past few years).

Cheers, D
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 09:35 AM UTC
Ok, I managed to put some info together.
Sorry it's taken a few days.

I see the Aussies have been bull5hitting again

P-47D-30RE 44-20441

"Ten Grand Thunderbolt."

Had its commemorative rollout at Farmingdale on Sept 20th 1944.


Seen here at Farmindale ready for it's delivery flight to the docks at Newark NJ.Bound for the M.T.O


Note at the time of manufacture it's fitted with a standard Curtiss Paddleblade prop.

The delivery flight was piloted by WASP Teresa James.





She is reported to have left a note in the cockpit ...
"To the pilot of the 10 Grand, you hit the jackpot. May every mission be a grand one and every chance a winner. Good hunting"

Dade Brothers, who prepared aircraft for overseas shipping, decided to get in on the act with a little publicity of their own, declaring the aircraft as being the 5000th P-47 shipped by the company.





On arrival in Italy Ten Grand was allocated to the 87th FS, 79th FG and coded X97.
Note how the original paddleblade prop has been replaced by an asymetric paddleblade.



Just visible is the tip of the tail, which had been painted in the 79th FG bue with yellow lightning strikes.
The 87th squadron insignia has been added, most likely on both sides of the aircraft.


In January 1945, Lt.Col Johnny Martin, ( Deputy C/O of the 79th) used Ten Grand to fly the 79th's 30'000 combat sortie.
He's seen on the left here with Republic Technical Representative Tom Drummond.



Ten Grand was lost on Dec 21st 1945 in a mid air collision over the Bay Of Naples with a B-24 Liberator.
It was being flown by Moses Lane. 36th DRS (Depot Repair Squadron), 36thADG ( Air Depot Group).

Hope this helps,

Nige
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Posted: Saturday, August 18, 2012 - 06:50 PM UTC
Nige, you just made all of that up, didn't you. A bit of photoshopping of old photo's and some artistic licence, do you really have nothing better to do with your time than sit around the house making up stuff about a vitally important historical event ?

Ken, don't be fooled by this charlatan, he'll lead you astray for sure.

Cheers, D
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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 06:59 AM UTC

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Nige, you just made all of that up, didn't you.


YES

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A bit of photoshopping of old photo's and some artistic licence, do you really have nothing better to do with your time than sit around the house making up stuff about a vitally important historical event ?


NO


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Ken, don't be fooled by this charlatan, he'll lead you astray for sure.

Cheers, D



VERY LIKELY

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Posted: Sunday, August 19, 2012 - 07:11 PM UTC
"I see the Aussies have been bull5hitting again"

An Aussie bull5hitting??!! Never heard of such a thing!

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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2012 - 11:37 AM UTC
WoW!!!! Thank you gentlemen very much for your help!

Nige, that was a wealth of info that will make my build much easier.

Looks like I need to see if there are any of the 87th squadron insignia available in 1/72 in any decal sheets. Baring that a good side on color photo so I can print my own.

What would one of the normal loadouts for a ground attack mission look like from that air group at that time? Specifically had their aircraft been updated to use the HVAR yet? I would love to do 10 grand with all ten of the HVARs plus a couple 500lb bombs hanging off the wings.

As a reward for your help I humbly provide a few pics of previous P-47 builds I have done.

Lieutenant Colonel Robert S. Johnson's P-47D-15-RE Ser# 42-76234 in 1/72 scale

Overall:


Cockpit:


Major Glenn Eaglestonís P-47D-30 Ser# 42-0473 in 1/72 scale

Overall:


Cockpit:


Again, thank you gentlemen for your help. It is greatly appreciated.

Ken

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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2012 - 01:28 PM UTC

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Nige, that was a wealth of info that will make my build much easier.



Don't encourage him, we'll NEVER get rid of him otherwise !

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Posted: Monday, August 20, 2012 - 11:41 PM UTC

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Nige, that was a wealth of info that will make my build much easier.



Don't encourage him, we'll NEVER get rid of him otherwise !




Get rid of me,, I might get the chance to actually build something then hahahaha

Normal load out around that time for the 79th is a 500lb under each wing and often a centreline fuel tank.
I haven't seen any photos of them with HVAR's, but I have seen photos of them with M10 rocket launchers under the wings and frag bombs on the pylons.

Here's the 87th badge


Nige