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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2017 - 09:12 PM GMT+7
Can't explain that one. That shouldn't happen if you don't even have an Adblock installed. I didn't even know there was an Adblock for iPad. Ironically all our ads on the left of the site load to the far right (usually off screen) and the Google ads don't even load on iPad screens. So not much need to block them for us anyway.

You could try using an alternate domain that is not in any way cached. The site should be accessible via:

www.aeroscale.net
www.aeroscale.co.uk
aeroscale.kitmaker.net

Best wishes,
Jim
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Posted: Friday, June 09, 2017 - 02:46 PM GMT+7
Ok I need help!
I am typing this on my IPad.
I have uninstalled ad blocker from my google Chrome (v 59.0.3071.86), previously I had tried disabling and whitelisting aeroscale and kit maker domains to no avail. Now even with NO Adblock and my browser history wiped I still get the F$&@ing "it looks like your using an ad blocker" pop up!

Now what?
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2017 - 07:37 PM GMT+7

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Hi Jim

Needless to say, I don't run Ad-Block at home on Kitmaker. But I have kept I.E. going on my old PC so that I can best mimic some of the reports coming in to me. In fact, Oxfam still use exclusively I.E. for some of their stuff (most uses Chrome), although I expect these exceptions will transfer to Edge in due course.

Interestingly, Edge still gives the option to open as I.E., so whether Microsoft dare ditch the old warhorse entirely yet is a fun question - although it is definitely becoming "flakey" after the latest Windows upgrades. The big relief for me is that Edge is finally running full-screen video reliably without freezing - a "given" on all the other browsers I run to keep up with what our members might be seeing. For all that, going back to I.E. after a long lay-off, I realise again just how good the functionality is/was! (If it ain't broke?...)

All the best

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Hi Robbie

Those pesky meddling kids!

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2017 - 11:40 AM GMT+7

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Hi Jim

Needless to say, I don't run Ad-Block at home on Kitmaker. But I have kept I.E. going on my old PC so that I can best mimic some of the reports coming in to me. In fact, Oxfam still use exclusively I.E. for some of their stuff (most uses Chrome), although I expect these exceptions will transfer to Edge in due course.

Interestingly, Edge still gives the option to open as I.E., so whether Microsoft dare ditch the old warhorse entirely yet is a fun question - although it is definitely becoming "flakey" after the latest Windows upgrades. The big relief for me is that Edge is finally running full-screen video reliably without freezing - a "given" on all the other browsers I run to keep up with what our members might be seeing. For all that, going back to I.E. after a long lay-off, I realise again just how good the functionality is/was! (If it ain't broke?...)

All the best

Rowan



http://imgur.com/gallery/fuaz2ZZ

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Posted: Saturday, January 07, 2017 - 11:31 AM GMT+7
Hi Jim

Needless to say, I don't run Ad-Block at home on Kitmaker. But I have kept I.E. going on my old PC so that I can best mimic some of the reports coming in to me. In fact, Oxfam still use exclusively I.E. for some of their stuff (most uses Chrome), although I expect these exceptions will transfer to Edge in due course.

Interestingly, Edge still gives the option to open as I.E., so whether Microsoft dare ditch the old warhorse entirely yet is a fun question - although it is definitely becoming "flakey" after the latest Windows upgrades. The big relief for me is that Edge is finally running full-screen video reliably without freezing - a "given" on all the other browsers I run to keep up with what our members might be seeing. For all that, going back to I.E. after a long lay-off, I realise again just how good the functionality is/was! (If it ain't broke?...)

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Friday, January 06, 2017 - 05:10 AM GMT+7

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Hi Robbie

I've booted up another PC to see what happens and the "ad-block-blocker" screen pops up. Again there's no icon to enable/disable and nothing obvious in the tools menu etc.

Running task manager reveals AdBlock Plus Engine for IE running in the background, so I can turn it off entirely that way, but apparently not on a site by site basis. That's fine for me, but some people might not want to.

I obviously support Jim striving to ensure the ads are visible (for anyone who hasn't, it's worth watching his video) - but, playing Devil's advocate, I can also understand why some people are struggling to enable the ads on Kitmaker, because the on-screen instructions don't help in every instance.

All the best

Rowan



Rowan if you are using it in IE I am unsure of how it is configured. IE was retired a year ago as a supported Microsoft product.

I did however just install it on my Edge browser and while you have to go to the upper right (...) area there is a listing for the module and the same screens that Damian showed here for Chrome. I would suggest that since IE isn't even supported as an application anymore you might want to upgrade to the current browser.

Also someone in this topic mentioned malware in ads. Sorry Malware has to be installed or executed. If you click on ads they could lead to attempts to fool you into installing malware (Adobe Flash updates, etc.) but just seeing an ad on a site can't give you malware. Just wanted to clear that up.

Thanks,
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Posted: Thursday, January 05, 2017 - 09:25 PM GMT+7

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Hi Robbie

I've booted up another PC to see what happens and the "ad-block-blocker" screen pops up. Again there's no icon to enable/disable and nothing obvious in the tools menu etc.

Running task manager reveals AdBlock Plus Engine for IE running in the background, so I can turn it off entirely that way, but apparently not on a site by site basis. That's fine for me, but some people might not want to.

I obviously support Jim striving to ensure the ads are visible (for anyone who hasn't, it's worth watching his video) - but, playing Devil's advocate, I can also understand why some people are struggling to enable the ads on Kitmaker, because the on-screen instructions don't help in every instance.

All the best

Rowan



At the end, the easiest solution is what I (and I suspect many others) have done for many years without any problem and even without ever thinking about it until the issue was raised here in the forum:

Just accept that this site needs adds to prosper and don't complicate life with an add blocker.

After all, we watch television with adds and product placing, we read magazines with adds, we drive on roads with publicity boards, we watch movies with product placing, we look at sports where advertising is in our face all the time.

So why is this such a big deal for kitmaker?
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Posted: Thursday, January 05, 2017 - 08:24 PM GMT+7
Hi Robbie

I've booted up another PC to see what happens and the "ad-block-blocker" screen pops up. Again there's no icon to enable/disable and nothing obvious in the tools menu etc.

Running task manager reveals AdBlock Plus Engine for IE running in the background, so I can turn it off entirely that way, but apparently not on a site by site basis. That's fine for me, but some people might not want to.

I obviously support Jim striving to ensure the ads are visible (for anyone who hasn't, it's worth watching his video) - but, playing Devil's advocate, I can also understand why some people are struggling to enable the ads on Kitmaker, because the on-screen instructions don't help in every instance.

All the best

Rowan
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Hi all.

A quick demo for Google Chrome users:

Top RHS of screen has small red ABP (AdBlock Plus) Button


If it is red, it is enabled and ads are blocked for the site you are currently on. Left click the button and you get a drop-down window:

As you can see it says 'ENABLED"

Left click on the ENABLED message and it becomes DISABLED for the current site only, and the button goes grey:


Left click anywhere on the screen to close the drop-down menu.

I'm sure the procedure is similar for other browsers.

Hope this helps.

Cheers, D



H Damian

I wish it had been that easy on the system at work. There was no Ad Block icon - and a hunt through installed programmes didn't give a clue as to what was blocking Aeroscale, but something was still throwing up the message screen. So I sypathise with the frustration voiced by others on that account.

All the best

Rowan



Most likely your work might have some web filtering ie Websense, Cisco WSA. Being in IT at work I have access to our Webfilter (and IDS) and 'whitelisted' Kitmaker (and its other sites) (Sshhh) which helped a litte. Also I am a Kitmaker subscriber which also helps. Besides ads being annoying they have been known for sources of malware and other strange things - usually in the form of exploits. Java scripts are especially scrutinized.

Just my observation
Now I need to get back to starting more unfinished model projects - (can someone please get 'Unfinished Business 2017 campaign started? Thank you)

Cheers

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Posted: Thursday, January 05, 2017 - 11:44 AM GMT+7

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Hi all.

A quick demo for Google Chrome users:

Top RHS of screen has small red ABP (AdBlock Plus) Button


If it is red, it is enabled and ads are blocked for the site you are currently on. Left click the button and you get a drop-down window:

As you can see it says 'ENABLED"

Left click on the ENABLED message and it becomes DISABLED for the current site only, and the button goes grey:


Left click anywhere on the screen to close the drop-down menu.

I'm sure the procedure is similar for other browsers.

Hope this helps.

Cheers, D



H Damian

I wish it had been that easy on the system at work. There was no Ad Block icon - and a hunt through installed programmes didn't give a clue as to what was blocking Aeroscale, but something was still throwing up the message screen. So I sypathise with the frustration voiced by others on that account.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Thursday, January 05, 2017 - 11:19 AM GMT+7
Hi everyone.
As a subscriber I've totally ignored this thread because it hadn't applied to me.

I subscribed because I enjoy the community.

But I will tell you powers that be, that had I come to this site on that first day and run into such a scheme, you would never have had the chance to earn the few dollars a month that I pay. Nor would I have met the great people I converse with regularly.

We both would have lost.

Just my two cents.

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Hi all.

A quick demo for Google Chrome users:

Top RHS of screen has small red ABP (AdBlock Plus) Button


If it is red, it is enabled and ads are blocked for the site you are currently on. Left click the button and you get a drop-down window:

As you can see it says 'ENABLED"

Left click on the ENABLED message and it becomes DISABLED for the current site only, and the button goes grey:


Left click anywhere on the screen to close the drop-down menu.

I'm sure the procedure is similar for other browsers.

Hope this helps.

Cheers, D
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I do not know 'why in Firefox luckily i see only the advertising of the site and not those of google and do not bother me, in fact many are interesting apart from the continuous flashing that indeed a bit' bored and I understand that somewhere i $$$ must arrive, I agree that the way to block those who use ADB is a bit ' "violent" and certainly discourage and deter many users do not own "computer freak" and this is certainly a shame and a waste.

Loss that adds to my mind to users who are lost and for mé are a good number for the system to say the least outdated and complicated to post the photos, in fact Russ aka Kevlar06 writes " I'm not knowledgeable enough about the computer to post my work "and many others like him, but do not write or directly use other more 'easy forum and leave upload photos directly on the site without the limits of space,absurd nowadays (and attending many forums are now the majority), why personally find this anachronistic and stops me from paying the membership that if no 'I would pay gladly, in over so' you lose hundreds of useful information in the old posts that become meaningless having no more 'pictures.

my 2 cents ...
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Posted: Thursday, January 05, 2017 - 10:38 AM GMT+7
Hi all

What a mess!

I won't comment on any of the personal interchanges - they belong in private emails and PMs.

So, I'll stay strictly with the ad-blocking issue.

I've not stepped in before on the subject of the infamous "ads-ad-blocker", because I'd never actually seen what was causing so much friction because, obviously, I enable the ads on my PC.

That was until this evening when I had to do an extra unexpected shift at Oxfam and took the opportunity (don't tell them! ) of checking out Aeroscale on a different set-up and.. lo and behold! - I was finally confronted by the ad-blocker screen.

"Great!" I thought Now I know what people are moaning about. So let's sort it. Except, the instruction on screen were, to use the technical term... bollocks - and, yes, it does look like phishing with its link.

"There is an easy way to turn off ad blocking for just this site. Simply click on your ad block icon in the upper right of your tool bar and then change "Enabled" text to "Disabled"."

There was no icon and nothing up front to turn off. I piddled about for a good quarter of an hour before giving up and deciding it was time to come home, but I simply couldn't figure out what was blocking Aeroscale on the PC at work.

So, despite Darren stating "...it should not be too difficult to learn how to switch aspects on or off as needed", it's really not always obvious at all and I totally sympathise with others having similar troubles.

All the best

Rowan
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Posted: Thursday, January 05, 2017 - 10:27 AM GMT+7

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I am only human



Thank God we all are only that, but also nothing less than that.

I hope we all learned something from this exchange and that the contributions give you constructive feedback and maybe lead to some bright idea.

Don't hesitate to ask the wider Kitmaker crowd for their opinion, one never knows where a good idea comes from. Heck even I had a few in my long life


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Let’s try stepping back a minute and consider the issues here...

...I appreciate and understand that not everyone who visits or registers with the network is fully able to know all of the ins and outs of the programmes that run on their computers, but it should not be too difficult to learn how to switch aspects on or off as needed. As such I cannot help but think we are making too much of the aspect of preventing people using advert blockers to utilise the network.



Darren,
I agree 100% with what you've said. But I don't think the ad blocker announcement was well thought out-- it flashes and blocks the computer screen unmercifully. In my case, (and the case of the person at the LHS I mentioned) I needed help to figure out what to do, especially since the announcement looks suspiciously like a hook for a virus I picked up several years ago. Fortunately, I have a access to a programmer who showed me how to use my ABP button on my Firefox homepage. Others have told me they will just go elsewhere-- which is sad. I very much appreciate and support Jim and the rest of you who work and volunteer on the site-- and I mention "I saw it on Kitmaker" all the time. I'm not knowledgeable enough about the computer to post my work or write reviews, even though I'd love to do so, and have done so on one site in the past. I think many of us of a certain age are looking for simplicity-- and the ad blocker announcement suddenly popping up was kind of jarring. I've never had a complaint with Jim's site-- and I stand by saying it's the best on the internet for beginners and "experts" alike. I support and appreciate that Jim makes a living here too. I've been modeling a few years now (built my first in 1959), and am glad for Kitmaker's existence. But was there another way it could have been announced ahead of time? Perhaps in the topic headlines that appear at the top of the page? could that still be done? And while I'm at it-- those flashing banners on the sides really don't bother me that much, but... can the images be slowed down and cleaned up so we can actually see whats being advertised? The TAKOM one is particularly bad-- and it causes me to avert my old eyes, rather than really "see" the advertisement.
VR, Russ
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Posted: Thursday, January 05, 2017 - 08:54 AM GMT+7
Hi Drabslab,
All good points and I agree with them. Our community is WHY all of you are here and I fully understand that point. I have tried to make our systems and administration work so that modelers can be the driving force behind our sites. I don't mean to sound like I am demeaning Joel for his contributions. I am very happy with his blog on the B-25B for example. However I am only human and in a year where my wife has been chiding me for us earning much less than prior years, that is the point you *don't* want to start posting how you are ticked off that I earn my living on the sites. Seriously.

I talk about the AdBlocker thing a bit more in my recent Mail Call video which I will put up on the site today at some point. If you want to check that out please do.

Best wishes,
Jim

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Let’s try stepping back a minute and consider the issues here.
Jim has to make a certain amount every year to provide the site, some of these are:
To keep the lights on (servers and office)
He runs these sites and the network as a living and so requires a certain income from them.
The cost of posting items out had gone through the roof, and I know he has spent as much as $500+ in a month on postage alone.

Jim has put in place something to make the visitors to the network see the adverts that help pay for the above. If being made to see adverts is such an ordeal I am at a loss, especially as I do not have an advert blocker and I am not being bombarded with adverts.

The staff that run the various aspects of the sites on the network are not paid, they perform the roles as volunteers and so no-one is paying for that. We do get a reward in so much as requests for samples are usually fulfilled.

I appreciate and understand that not everyone who visits or registers with the network is fully able to know all of the ins and outs of the programmes that run on their computers, but it should not be too difficult to learn how to switch aspects on or off as needed. As such I cannot help but think we are making too much of the aspect of preventing people using advert blockers to utilise the network.
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Guys, seriously, there is no reason to turn this into a flaming match (or how are these encounters described on the net today ?). Please don't let an overall valuable and instructive exchange of views end in conflict.

@Jim: You are absolutely right. Kitmaker is (as far as I know) largely your interpreneurship, your investment, your risk, your programming, your property ... and this gives you every right to decide how you want this site to function. If you need to be reproached for wanting a decent return on investment then we can forget about "business" as a whole.

The business model of paper magazines is well-known; For a site it is not that obvious and it requires more effort finding services that users, and companies, are prepared to pay for.

In a totally different area (nothing to do with modelling) I have seen a reasonably successful business model where a site owner integrated a web service of a general on-line bookstore showing only books related to the subject of his site. Maybe kitmaker could do the same for some kit manufacturers and get a percentage of the profit so generated by that manufacturer?

I know, integrating such service, as do most other proposals we aired earlier on, requires a truckload of programming work and all that hard work remains totally unknown to most users.

Otherwise, Joel (and others) also makes a valid point when he says that the site would not exist without its users (and staff) and therefore it has to take good care of them. A business strategy that alienates a part of those users may not be the best one.

Moreover, some of us do more than visiting and spend their free time to contribute content. Sometimes we get a compensation for that effort by receiving a free kit from the site to review. You can see sending such kit as a cost but I can tell you that (at least in my case) it is also a motivator to write reviews from kits I buy myself.

My small personal annoyance in this respect is that I have recently been kicked out of the "contributors forum" because I have not managed to contribute last year. Really, after 6 features, and 11 reviews this was a bit of a surprise.

Furthermore, and as pointed out by someone here, not everybody is a computer nerd or understands business book keeping. That does not stop them from being faboulous people and good modellers. The site must also keep these people on board by making all "tasks" straightforward.


My 0.01 cents
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Your business paid the postage if I remember correctly by the name on the return address portion of the shipping label. So in reality it was a business expense.





I assume you were being serious? If this is your understanding of how 'self employment' works... well stick to working for Drug Store corporations. If I pay out $1000 in shipping at the end of the year which is not reimbursed to me, then yes I of course list that as a business expense, but it still cost me $1000 and the tax differed savings on other income is really not all that much. I mean sure if the $1000 just by luck lowered your income into a lower tax bracket then yeah it could save you money, but that is not exactly likely.

Thanks for that laugh though.

Cheers,
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So now it looks like every Kitmaker site has to be unblocked individually...

...I frequently refer other modelers to the site as being the best on the web...

Excellent, the more visitors, the more views, the more add views, the more money to improve the sites technology....

but I can't do that now....

---"Common, admit, you are saying this for the sake of the argument, aren't you. You really feel that a secondary issue like an add blocker deteriorates the quality of the information here?"



Drabslab,
No-- I have no problem with advertising on the Kitmaker Network-- I even like the advertising (the flashing is a little distracting as Joel and others mention-- but I'm even OK with that) and even visit advertisers occasionally. However, we shouldn't assume that everyone that visits is a computer guru (I'm not for sure), and it's very discouraging to us Luddites who use the site to have to clear the ad blocker on each individual site. It's downright frustrating and discouraging, and for me personally embarrassing since I've been telling my modelling buddies at my LHS Armorama and Aeroscale and the others are "the best sites". And yes, I visit LSP, Hyperscale (and it's subsidiary Missing Lynx), The Modelling News, Modeling Madness, ARC, Cybermodeler and a few others almost daily--except for the Modelling News, all of them have advertisers. Last week when I was in my LHS a "fellow old crony" (who can just barely turn on his computer), told me he couldn't get on the site because of the obnoxious ad blocker, so he was giving it up--frankly I was a little embarrassed. I will do as Jim suggests, and turn it off on the Kitmaker Network (which should work for all the sites right?) But it's a tall order for a Luddite like me to re-educate other modelling friends. By the way-- I only have problems on my desktop-- my Ipad and Iphone don't have any issues and there are no obnoxious ad-blockers--please don't mess with those, as I haven't got a clue how to un-screw those devices--hell, I can barely manage typing this message! My adult daughter is a computer programmer, she always tells me PICNIC--but that's the nature of my situation, and I wear that title proudly--but I'm not alone-- there are lots of us out here--one day progress will certainly overtake us and no doubt put us underground--but please, not on Kitmaker Network I hope.
VR, Russ
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Hi guys,
A couple of comments.

1. Browser cookies work on a domain level. So just as with your logins if you move from one domain to another you have to set them up for both domains. If you use the kitmaker.net domain to move between sites there is one cookie for all those. I believe AdBlocker has a 'whitelisted' domains in the options area and if you want to do all of them you could simply add them there.

2. For those that want to view this site without the side ads and Google ads there is an option for that. Subscribe for $3.49 a month (a huge fee I know) and you can turn them off. You also won't get any adblock thwarting code if you are a subscriber and logged in.

If you want to use the site for free and use AdBlocker all I can say is... no. Sorry right is right and wrong is wrong and I pay the server bills and have devoted 15 years of my life to this. Asking people to disable AdBlocker for KitMaker is not a huge deal. If you want to make it a huge deal go ahead and be my guest.

And Joel... dude... I sent you that Academy F-4J back in March. I used part of my evil "financial gain" to do that (as well as all the prior stuff I sent you). Is it too much to ask that before you start berating me in the forums for profiteering off your personal effort, that I could get the personal effort? Thanks.

Jim



Jim,
I also over the years received two other models to build, which I did; the B-25B, and the F-15C. I posted long, detailed build blogs, and gave you full credit for the donated models. the F4 is still on my workbench as I'm deep into a few other builds. The Mossie was a personal priority for the 2017 Mosquitocon in Wayne New Jersey, as is the F4F-3. What that has to do with this issue is beyond me. If you're insinuating that I took a model under false pretenses, perhaps you should check your spreadsheet at the number of never built, finished, nor posted models. The list seems rather long. As far as using your personal funds to send me the kit, that's not quite accurate. Your business paid the postage if I remember correctly by the name on the return address portion of the shipping label. So in reality it was a business expense.

What I stated is how I feel. Right or wrong that's my personal opinion. I'm a member of other modeling sites, as well as a few non-modeling sites, and have never run into this issue before. It's just that simple.

BTW. I take personal umbrage at the reference to me as "...Dude..." That was not called for by any means. I'm a senior whose paid his dues here as a rather active member over the long haul. Whose contributions have helped to make Aeroscale what it is today. You certainly can't deny that I haven't.

The price of a membership is a non-issue, the fact of asking for a monthly membership is to me. There in lies the difference. My personal involvement and efforts here as far as I'm concerned more then equates to the status of a paying member.

Joel





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Hi guys,
A couple of comments.

1. Browser cookies work on a domain level. So just as with your logins if you move from one domain to another you have to set them up for both domains. If you use the kitmaker.net domain to move between sites there is one cookie for all those. I believe AdBlocker has a 'whitelisted' domains in the options area and if you want to do all of them you could simply add them there.

2. For those that want to view this site without the side ads and Google ads there is an option for that. Subscribe for $3.49 a month (a huge fee I know) and you can turn them off. You also won't get any adblock thwarting code if you are a subscriber and logged in.

If you want to use the site for free and use AdBlocker all I can say is... no. Sorry right is right and wrong is wrong and I pay the server bills and have devoted 15 years of my life to this. Asking people to disable AdBlocker for KitMaker is not a huge deal. If you want to make it a huge deal go ahead and be my guest.

And Joel... dude... I sent you that Academy F-4J back in March. I used part of my evil "financial gain" to do that (as well as all the prior stuff I sent you). Is it too much to ask that before you start berating me in the forums for profiteering off your personal effort, that I could get the personal effort? Thanks.

Jim
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Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 - 09:24 AM GMT+7
Drabslab,
You did make one comment that isn't entirely true:

"Equally, it does not speak well for the general community that it seems to expect everything for free. If the general community don't want to see adds then really, they should get a subscription. And maybe the general community should, as an experiment, write to "fine scale modeller" and insist that all publicity is removed from their paper magazine. I wonder how that would go down"

I do take exception to your statement. While I'm not paying in funds to be a member, my detailed and long build blogs is part of what make Aeroscale a modeling site. People generally don't come here, nor lurk to read the ads, rather they do so to see the builds and completed models that we, the membership post.

If we go to a pay site, then equally, we should all expect to have a active say in how the site is run, and how it operates. As of now we have absolutely no say what's so ever.

Joel
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Posted: Wednesday, January 04, 2017 - 08:59 AM GMT+7
I can tell you honestly that other top sites do not do this. Here's two: ARC and LSP. Checkout either and you'd be amazed at the quality, quantity, and content those sites offer. LSP has more IPMS National Winning modelers then I've ever seen anywhere else.

Both sites are supported by selling advertising, all sites are. Neither site requires you to disable your Ad blocker.

The sites are owned by people who earn their income other then from running their site. So outside of administrative costs, all the funds are put back into the site.

If you're referring to sites such as Phil Flory's which is a completely closed site that is run more of a learning site with Phil's builds, there isn't any advertising that I know of. Bobby Waldron' has a similar site that charges for his videos only, as the forums are free. Bobby is a professional Modeler.

Honestly, this is Jim's main issue as he has stated. And that, more then anything else has really ticked me off.

I've haven't been asked if my personal efforts can be used by Jim for his Financial gain. Right or wrong that's how I feel.

Joel