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Kearby's Thunderbolts ?
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Posted: Thursday, June 04, 2020 - 10:08 AM UTC
Thanks Radoslaw.
I still have your excellent profiles
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Posted: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 - 11:23 PM UTC
Well, in theory she could have. But only on the beams, as it was supposed to be in this theatre on special occasions in low contrast situation. No reason for that on Fiery Ginger, so the standard was to paint out the red rim with camouflage colour - OD in this case. It can be seen on my profiles .
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Posted: Wednesday, June 03, 2020 - 05:47 AM UTC
Maybe a stupid question: why 42-22668 is always represented with national insignias without blue outline?
National insignias with blue outline is not possible on her late 1943 - early 1944 ?
TIA, regards.
Stéph
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 11:59 PM UTC
Aaah, had out of my screen frame. Dzięki Michał.
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 09:15 PM UTC

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OK, I give up. Where, for Pete's sake, a guy can find his PM box on this site?


Hello Radek!
Check the top right corner "inbox", next to your nick name and the "settings".
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OK, I give up. Where, for Pete's sake, a guy can find his PM box on this site?
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Posted: Thursday, October 02, 2014 - 07:26 AM UTC
Hello Radek, MP sent
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Posted: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 - 10:09 AM UTC
Steph, I can play the ball now. If You were still interested I would need Your email.
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Posted: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 - 10:05 AM UTC
Hello Radek,
Sure, I'm very interested by your profiles or drawings about Kearby's Thunderbolts...
I think you're right: the aircraft with ten kills and the one with fiveteen kills are the same aircraft. But, I don't think it's 42-8145.
SN 42-8145 "firey ginger": (342nd FS, 348nd FG, 5th AF) shot down by A6M2 off NW coast of Kairiu Island, Sepik, Papua New Guinea Oct 22, 1943. MACR 4361. Pilot bailed out but was killed (2nd Lt. Ernest R. Ness).
There are other diferences between 42-8145 and the one on the video. As you know: the name, but, I agree with you regarding a correction later. But, the number 73 are not in the same place on the tail and the white color on the tail is not applicated in the same way. A little bit more white on the rear fuselage on 42-8145. Trim rudder outlined in black on 42-8145.
Here is the result of my researches:
- P-47D-2-RE, SN 42-8145 "Firey Ginger" => 3 victories: 2 the 09/04/43 and one the 09/15/43
- P-47D-2-RE ? "Fiery Ginger" (or unknown, the one on the video) => 12 (or 14) victories: six the 10/11/43, one the 10/16/43, two the 10/19/43, three the 12/03/43, (one the 12/22/43 and one the 12/23/43).
- P-47D-4-RA, SN 42-22668 "Fiery Ginger IV" => 7 (or 5) victories: (one the 12/22/43 and one the 12/23/43), two the 01/03/44, two the 01/09/44 and the final one the 03/05/44.

As you know, the wreck of 42-22668 was found in 1995. The problem is a photo with 22 victories flags taken late in February 1944 or early in March. The 22nd victory could be the Sally damaged the 02/27/44 marked as a victory by ground crew.............

Still thank you for your help. Regards.
Steph
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Posted: Thursday, July 10, 2014 - 10:06 AM UTC
Hello Steph!

The first part of my article about Kearby and his Bolts has just been published in periodic called AeroPlan. Unfortunately for a few it is in Polish. The first part is about the pilot and the second about the planes. If You were interested I could offer You the profiles and other drawings, but I would have to wait a couple of months until the second part sees the world.

In my research I have found how little is known for sure about Fiery Gingers. It is pity we can't see the S/N on the film. The trouble is the Ginger with 15 kill marks is exactly identical in details of the markings (placement and style of pilot's name on the board, placement of the kill marks, squadron number) as ten kill Ginger. It is strongly uncommon for the artist of the group to paint something exactly the same twice. He always changes little details. It is possible the second aircraft was used in famous MoH fight or appeared just after it. It surely is no D-16 (the one in the film), as the camouflage painting stands for early D's. The time frame of production and entering SWPTO of this supposed D-16 also excludes her as Fiery Ginger. That is good, as You don't have to explain why Kearby would have go backwards to D-4 version, when already flying new D-16, being ranking ace, officer, a star of the Theater, and all... .
It is very tempting to assume there were only two Kearby's Thunderbolts. Repainting would have been a small job here, and correcting the misspelling in the name even smaller. Such corrections did take a place by Fiery Ginger IV and the crew names on her. I have found mistakes in official documents, when researching the subject, yet the information about the loss of 421845 appears in too many documents to built strong theory here.
To make things more uneasy - we do not know for sure S/N of Fiery Ginger IV. It is possible Kearby's last flight plane wasn't his own.
Not much of help I am afraid, but You have not finished with an unaswered post at least .

Cheers!
Radek
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Posted: Saturday, July 05, 2014 - 10:35 PM UTC
Hello all,
Newbie on this forum, I need help regarding Kearbys Thunderbolts. Some sources say that "Fiery Ginger III" flown from October to December 1943 was a D-16 (SN42-75908). Is it not too early for a D-16 at this date ? Other sources say she was a D-2...
I think you know this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQUIWq56iKI
Any specialist in videos to try to see the SN of this P-47D (at 4:21 and 7:33) with, apparently 15 victories flags ?
I know it's not 42-8145 (lost 10/22/43) because the name on the nose of 42-8145 is "Firey Ginger" not Fiery Ginger and the white paint on the tail is not the same... It's not 42-22668 (Fiery Ginger IV), the "IV" is missing and the victories are not in the same place (under the cockpit on 42-2266...
May be 42-75908 (Fiery Ginger III ?) ? It's difficult to see cowl flap modification but for me, probably not...
Any help in my investigations ? TIA
Steph